Greg Ross: Well, scheduled, so thank you so I want to get started as soon as we can, but can ever roll call to begin with, please.
Beam Furr: Oh, my gosh you remembered.
Becky Tooley: I.
Greg Ross: always thought of it.
Beam Furr: Only took only took 40 meetings but.
Greg Ross: But i'm.
Becky Tooley: Getting the hang of it.
Mary Lou Tighe: i'm chair Ross.
Greg Ross: I am here.
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Mary Lou Tighe: Commissioner Julie.
Becky Tooley: i'm here.
Mary Lou Tighe: Commissioner glassman.
Commissioner Steven Glassman: Good morning here.
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Mary Lou Tighe: Commissioner McMahon.
Mary Lou Tighe: seen him joined yet.
Mary Lou Tighe: Keep an eye out for him mayor Ryan.
Mary Lou Tighe: resident Thank you Commissioner medicine.
Bob Mayersohn: i'm here.
Mary Lou Tighe: Commissioner, how IANA.
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Greg Ross: Thank you very much, and I do want to just once again say welcome i'm going to ask matt if you would please still be our scribe and if you can throw everything up on the screen at this point where we left off and beam do you have anything.
Beam Furr: Well, just ready to go into the homestretch.
Greg Ross: let's do NGO, I am looking forward to that I think everybody is.
Greg Ross: We left off at the authority not may not infringe on contracts, such as the hauler agreements that predate the creation of the authority and I believe that we didn't actually start to talk about this so.
Greg Ross: i've thrown it out there.
Greg Ross: Does anyone have any difficulty with that concept.
Greg Ross: I didn't think so, so the verbiage can, I think, maybe not be as simple as we have up on the screen, but the attorneys you've got the direction you can run with that can you not get proof Thank you matt.
Greg Ross: Now, having Having said that, then we move into the parties must ensure all agreements entered into after the creation of the authority.
Greg Ross: And the adoption of the master plan are consistent with the IRA and master plan well I think that's self evident, and I thank you for putting that in there, but um.
Greg Ross: Are there any and Lynn parties must ensure all agreements there can't be an agreement entered into prior to the creation of the authority so does anyone have any difficulties with that being approved.
Greg Ross: Hearing none and Mary Lou you don't see any hands, do you.
Greg Ross: Answer okay now let's get into the meat of this Jamie i'm sure you're chomping at the bit.
Greg Ross: flow control ordinances and i'm not sure if we should handle all these together because it bleeds over one into the other but but.
Greg Ross: let's start with the parties must adopt flow control ordinances requiring delivery to the system Jamie would you do us a courtesy and give us the options, if you will, as to the flow control, because I know it could be regulatory or it can be economic.
Greg Ross: i'd like obviously to try and keep it as simple as possible and then we're going to go into who would have the authority to enforce but, if you would please.
Jamie Cole: Certainly marry the we already have in here, the ability to specially assess so as far as an.
Jamie Cole: Economic flow control, we have the ability to really implement that so the board, would be able to do a special assessment that special assessments a could.
Jamie Cole: assess all properties enough money to do a major subsidy on the disposal fee and then have an extremely low disposal fee for any way sets coming from the cities and the unincorporated area.
Jamie Cole: So that effectively could give us the ability to pretty much ensure that all the waste would be going to the facility, because if.
Jamie Cole: If a city or if a property owner wanted to take your waist to someone outside somewhere else.
Jamie Cole: They could do it, but they'd be paying paying full price they wouldn't get the benefit of the subsidy that they've already paid for, through their special assessment.
Jamie Cole: So that's already in there, so the way we what we talked about earlier, I think, is to give the authority the authority to do to do both to do.
Jamie Cole: The economic flow control through a special assessment, but to also to do it through an ordinance or require all the cities can do an ordinance and the counterfeit unincorporated area.
Jamie Cole: The thought being that if, for some reason the authority decided they did not want to do a special assessment and they wanted to just pay everything through disposal fees they don't have to do a special assessment.
Jamie Cole: And that way they could just require regulatory flow control, which would be an ordinance so basically.
Jamie Cole: each city and the county for the unincorporated area would pass an ordinance the ordinance would say any solid waste that comes from any property within.
Jamie Cole: The jurisdiction has got to go to the system, and then the plan of operations would spell out exactly where it needs to go this is similar to what we had with the resource recovery board.
Jamie Cole: When all the cities were required to do ordinances in order to satisfy commerce clause concerns.
Jamie Cole: With the resource cardboard there was an exception for anyways going outside of the state.
Jamie Cole: So basically what what the ordinance or the flow Controller and it's would most likely say is that any ways that is generated within the city has to go to the facility as set forth in the planner operations.
Jamie Cole: or go out of State, so if someone wanted to some city wanted to take their waste and and ship it to Georgia or to.
Jamie Cole: Alabama they could do that but economically that doesn't make a lot of sense, but that is necessary in order to satisfy.
Jamie Cole: Commerce clause concerns, which is what was we were concerned about back in the rv days.
Jamie Cole: So, at the appropriate time, that issue would have to be looked at in the actual flow control ordinances would have to be drafted to make sure that we comply with commerce clause in any other laws.
Jamie Cole: But the idea of our Constitution or our la would be that the authority would have the ability to do require flood control ordinances, and all this parties are agreeing that they would do it if requested.
Greg Ross: And I think that gives us, obviously the.
Greg Ross: The power, if you will, and the control in in handling the disposal of what we need to do so again i'm open to suggestions and you obviously need the options given because of the commerce clause that you can go out of State I get that.
Greg Ross: But is there anyone.
Greg Ross: Here opposed to that idea, because I think that's the whole premise that we've been going on is we control where it goes, we can therefore control the money for the tipping fee, and it will be lower and that's the enticement, if you will, for all the cities.
Greg Ross: So anyone have any difficulties with that.
Greg Ross: Because, if not, then i'm going to ask, should the government, be able to enforce the flow control ordinances because normally if it's a city ordinances city has to enforce it matt you've got a question.
Matthew Haber: Not not so much a question so much as I I realized in the way that I put this.
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Matthew Haber: That there's some nuance that isn't in isn't clear so there's these two next bullets that kind of in my mind.
Matthew Haber: work together, even though they're not exactly the same thing so there's this question of who is enforcing the flow control ordinance and then there's also the question of who is enforcing you, for example, hauler agreements.
Matthew Haber: You know, have that certainly the color agreement between a municipality and it's hauler.
Matthew Haber: And so it may be that there's a provision in a flow control organs that just says hey you know.
Matthew Haber: The the authority is the one who's enforcing this or the authority and coordination with the individual municipalities enforcing this.
Matthew Haber: or it may be that it's entirely optional, where some parties, whether it's for an agreement or an ordinance has the option to appoint the authority as its agent to handle the enforcement or.
Matthew Haber: You know yeah yeah so, in essence, like you're giving the party that that ability to choose as opposed to making it an hour right requirement of membership and the lie.
Greg Ross: You know, while I I always liked you autonomy and Home Rule In this sense, you are joining us to have the authority working, if you will.
Greg Ross: and giving options to then say oh and, by the way, we're going to start enforcing the individuality, is not conducive to the operations of the authority.
Greg Ross: So literally taking my hat and putting on the authority alone and forgetting that the cities, I think the 30 should be the one with the control, if you will, and the governance, I think, how you said it before.
Greg Ross: It makes sense, where it's the city's in conjunction with the authority of the authority in conjunction with the cities, I don't care about the verbiage.
Greg Ross: But I think that gives the understanding that we're all partners in this, but that the authority really can come in, without the city's approval, because you've already given the approval that the Authority has control and can do the enforcement, but I sure, would like to hear from others.
Greg Ross: i've got 51 people and not one hand raised okay all right you're gonna you're gonna make me use the Socratic method.
Mary Lou Tighe: To make sure we just got her hand raised.
Greg Ross: Thank you very.
Greg Ross: Much you get a gold star.
Sabrina Javellana: um so i'm just like when we say like enforcement i'm trying to think about what enforcement would look like would this be like like fines or like if it keeps adding up like potential like removal from like the system like.
Sabrina Javellana: i'm just trying to figure out like the I agree that the assurance the authority should be able to enforce it.
Sabrina Javellana: But um.
Sabrina Javellana: I think we should be with you.
Please.
Greg Ross: Please mute your phone Thank you.
Sabrina Javellana: Sabrina enforce it, but i'm just trying to figure out how we would enforce it like what would that look like you know.
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Sabrina Javellana: I agree with.
Sabrina Javellana: I agree with the flow control ordinances I think that's.
Sabrina Javellana: The best way to keep everyone accountable and make sure everyone's participating they.
Sabrina Javellana: do their own thing like half.
Sabrina Javellana: of us.
Sabrina Javellana: um but I agree with all your suggestions by Ross and the suggestions that Jamie had made, including the exceptions.
Greg Ross: I thank you for that, and I will ask everyone to please mute I think Sally you've taken care of that and I appreciate it Thank you Sabrina for those comments and and understandably I understand where you're coming from so anyone else on that issue.
Jamie Cole: Marriage like an answer her question about it okay.
Jamie Cole: The ordinance would say that always from you know particular properties within within the city's has to go to the system.
Jamie Cole: So the enforcement really is against you know, could he could be against the hauler who picks up the waist and does not deliver it to the system.
Jamie Cole: Or could be the property owner who does not deliver to the system or theoretically, it could be one of the partners, one of the cities, if they had their own.
Jamie Cole: hauling if they did the holding themselves so employees and they chose to send take it somewhere else, it could be against them so.
Jamie Cole: It would be, it would be find generally that's how it was with the rv I think there was was finds against haulers callers could be prohibited from delivery to the system.
Jamie Cole: Things like that, if it's actually a party that is doing it if it's one of the city says, you know what.
Jamie Cole: You know we're going to violate our own ordinance you know if the city is enforcing the ordinance i'm not sure that you know really do anything it's more.
Jamie Cole: It would be more of a breach of the into local agreement if one of the parties were violated the ordinance enforcement is really against third parties.
Greg Ross: And and and I can appreciate that, so let me just throw out a hypothetical and see how it will be handled, and that would be a situation where.
Greg Ross: One of the haulers picks up all the residential from one city and then has a good portion of it from a commercial client and they then take and they mix it they then take the whole thing and dump it out, not with the authority.
Greg Ross: Number one, how do we know that occurred and number two is that the issue specifically where the hauler would be called in, and said you're here by fine.
Jamie Cole: I think that's the exact situation where we're talking about now, of course, we have the economic flow control going with the special assessment and we have a really low.
Jamie Cole: assessment, a little disposable fee, because the assessment, I think the bigger problem is going to be the opposite, that someone.
Jamie Cole: A haulers taking waste from a city in broward that's a party and then they also have some ways that's coming from date or from.
Jamie Cole: You know someone's not a party to our system and trying to get the subsidized rate so we're going to have to make sure that no one is getting our subsidized rate.
Jamie Cole: That is subsides through the assessments, who is not part but that's not really part of the flow control issue it's really the it's kind of the opposite of the flow control that we're getting flow that we don't.
Jamie Cole: know that being isn't coming for our system that's coming in, want to make sure that's being charged full full frame, not the subsidized rate.
Jamie Cole: The flow control ordinances really to ensure that we have adequate flow from the parties to do whatever it is that we're we're doing for to make sure our facility stays possible.
Greg Ross: All right, that I appreciate, and I think now everyone has the understanding of what we're trying to do where it's headed and how to accomplish it and and again, unless I hear to the contrary, I think that.
Greg Ross: parties may appoint the authorities the agent for enforcing the hauler and related agreements that only may have point, I think it should be valid point to be quite honest.
Greg Ross: I think the the option is not a good idea, but I think it should be keep keep typing matt say the next one's approved as well.
Greg Ross: Because I don't see it any other way but again i'm only one person, I appreciate what's your brain and said Is there anyone else who has any difficulties with that because, as I said before, one bleeds over into the other.
Greg Ross: And I think this is a way that, if approved the authority will in fact work.
Beam Furr: There, yes, my my only my only i'm fine with what you're saying, but I do wonder if.
Beam Furr: The cities in this case may have more leverage over their own haulers they have contract with because you know that's your side of that too, they have a contract with the tall.
Beam Furr: they're you know they're they're more at they're going to probably listen to them more than then authority that they're only just taking it too because that's where they're actually getting paid from.
Greg Ross: Tonight, and I, I agree with that a beam I really do, but having said that, the way matt indicated before, or it could have been Jamie I forget.
Greg Ross: It would be both the city's in conjunction with the authority or vice versa, the authority in conjunction with the cities.
Greg Ross: I think the authority may at times initially if it happened one time the authority may turn around and call the city and say hey why don't you call the hauler and let them know.
Greg Ross: Give a you know and a warning for the first time, if it happens in second time, then the authority comes in that's why I think the verbiage is important but coordination is is the key.
Beam Furr: yeah I don't want I because the city does have more leverage on this yes.
Greg Ross: And, and I don't want to be as as the authority I wouldn't want them to be heavy handed.
Greg Ross: i'd rather make a phone call be friendly hey this occurred were aware.
Greg Ross: What happened again.
Beam Furr: And I, and I guess, I wonder a little bit what kind of teeth, the authority might have, as opposed to the biggest teeth, the big teeth is a contract.
Greg Ross: And well I that's a good question so here we're giving the authority to the authority in addition to the cities.
Greg Ross: But.
Greg Ross: Do we need buy in, if you will, of the haulers to agree to be controlled, if you will abroad for the authority if they violate.
karl Thompson: Alright, so.
Greg Ross: What borrow.
Greg Ross: borrow.
Greg Ross: borrow we're listening to your conversation.
Greg Ross: Thank you.
Beam Furr: I mean, it seems like it may want to be part of contracts that you know subsequent subsequent contracts that cities have with the hollers that they would be.
Beam Furr: Subject to the authority.
Greg Ross: Right, not that the authority is a signer or a party to the contract.
Greg Ross: But but, but that they are recognized to be the authority and and I think in time that will happen, I have conventional medicine.
Bob Mayersohn: yeah, to the point of you know, being a and I guess, to the point of being a third party to the contract is.
Bob Mayersohn: i'm trying to grasp my head around this is that I just use our city when we have waste management.
Bob Mayersohn: The bill goes to the residents, not to the city we've just negotiated a deal at the end of the day, they pick it up, we don't have somebody monitoring the waste management trucks.
Bob Mayersohn: They pick up the trash where they bring it, they say they're going to bring it to X, but maybe they bring it to why.
Bob Mayersohn: Or maybe they stopped off in palm beach and pick up some stuff because they got to deal with palm beach or broward I mean or Miami dade or somewhere else that they're now absorbing this reduced a tipping thing.
Bob Mayersohn: How do we, and again, maybe i'm getting into the weeds of it, but in a contract is that.
Bob Mayersohn: The I believe again, it should be a third party agreement where the authority has the ability.
Bob Mayersohn: Along with and get it could be, in coordination with the city and the hauler but if the third party is just acting as oversight and then all of a sudden has to put the hammer down.
Bob Mayersohn: That may get kind of sticky as opposed to the authority as part of it, what their role is at least they have the right to say.
Bob Mayersohn: You know this is this needs to be done, so I leave it in you know, in the hands of the legal teams, I know, when this comes back to the attorneys in the cities.
Bob Mayersohn: They may have a different opinion but i'm just like I said we don't have we don't want to get into it now that's fine but i'm just trying to wrap my head around it of.
Bob Mayersohn: Who again is responsible for what you know typically like I said, going back to sro contracts we're not we're not part of the school board contract, but yet we have some oversight, but no authority in a in an agreement.
Greg Ross: I understand that and i'll i'll ask the attorneys.
Greg Ross: Whether they, and I think being you hit on it and and and, Commissioner, I think you're right the.
Greg Ross: authority has to be referenced, if you will, and agreed to in that third party contract between the city and the.
Greg Ross: vendor and that way it gives you authority and the recognition to the authority that they govern.
Greg Ross: We may even have to depending on timing included in all new contracts That to me is a given, but there may have to be amended contracts.
Greg Ross: So that the authority is recognized and I don't see a big problem with that, but I, and I will leave that up to the attorneys Do you see any difficulties with that.
Greg Ross: concept.
Jamie Cole: Mary it seems like that's a third type of flow control, you have the economic climate control through special assessment you have the regulatory through an ordinance.
Jamie Cole: The third type of flow controls contractual so we would have contracts with the cities will have contracts with orders.
Jamie Cole: And as provisions in their contracts, it would say the waste is to go as designated in the plan of operations, so we could put something in the IRA that requires that provision in contracts.
Greg Ross: As long as it's not inconsistent with economic or regulatory then contractual should be in there as well, I think it might be the easiest.
Greg Ross: But again i'm i'm open to suggestions from everyone.
Beam Furr: And if i'm not mistaken mayor, when we were listening to the palm beach director I think they had all three.
Beam Furr: I think they had over the years I kept adding different.
Greg Ross: And, and I see why they would do that.
Greg Ross: And candidly as long as you're not inconsistent.
Greg Ross: Then that's a way to go.
Beam Furr: yeah I think they had all three.
Greg Ross: Then the attorneys have their marching orders, I think you understand it now, if you can please place it in in the contract verbiage wise it'd be appreciated and then I guess the last question and.
Greg Ross: matt you have it is, will the Authority have the ability to recoup the costs of enforcement by a finds to haulers under parties ordinances.
Beam Furr: I met.
Beam Furr: I.
Greg Ross: met Scott his hand Oh, I thank you matt yes.
Matthew Haber: Go ahead with the last one, at the end so make sure that I can ask some questions to be clear that i've captured everything the right way.
Greg Ross: You can always ask questions.
Greg Ross: If if the.
Greg Ross: If its contractual and and I think we've all agreed to do it all three ways, then I believe the authority should have the ability to recoup the court costs of enforcement.
Greg Ross: The city shouldn't have to incur it because it's not their problem or their fault, the authority shouldn't have to incur it, because just that they're enforcing it now they're wasting their time, energy and money, so the haulers made the error and the haulers should be responsible.
Greg Ross: But I don't think it's.
Greg Ross: A hard.
Greg Ross: burden on the haulers to follow the contract and the wishes of the city, and that is just us the authority don't go elsewhere.
Greg Ross: Then, of course, and this is not for us to decide today.
Greg Ross: Not for us to decide period, I believe, but what defines our do they increase, how would they impose due process hearings etc magistrate etc, but that doesn't have to be put into our Constitution our Charter and I just need to know that i'm correcting that.
Greg Ross: Mike are you good with that Jamie matt nathaniel.
Greg Ross: Everybody good with that.
Michael Cirullo: yeah I I i'm good with that, I think we can put something in there that's been the IRA that provides for that authority to pass that through.
Greg Ross: Okay.
Michael Cirullo: I think it'd be important like Jamie said that we win all the parties go through their contracts that they incorporate all of this in their procurement and in their contracts individually with the hollers.
Right.
Greg Ross: Very good anyone else.
Greg Ross: Alright, moving right along to item 16.
Matthew Haber: But actually have this is where my questions are coming in.
Greg Ross: Oh i'm sorry go ahead man.
Matthew Haber: My thought is because we said, coordination between the party and the authority for it to holler agreements is that coordination, I mean to me, it makes sense to put that in the enforcement of a flow control ordinance as well.
agreed.
Matthew Haber: and
Matthew Haber: And then, for this part here we're talking about new agreements, after the creation of the authority it sounded like there was a desire to, where appropriate, make the authority of third party beneficiary.
Greg Ross: Absolutely Okay, I like that term third party beneficiary very good.
Greg Ross: it's a really good term.
Greg Ross: Sometimes I forget, you know what hat i'm wearing okay any other questions matt.
Matthew Haber: No i'm good let's go to article 16.
Greg Ross: terrific executive committee proposes amendments to the I la which then must be approved by the governing board before distribution to the parties are legal approval i'm not i'm not sure what the.
Greg Ross: I guess what the issue is or the question.
Matthew Haber: We had proposed a very specific process for how.
Matthew Haber: The IRA might be amended so rather than just you know, anyone who has an idea sending out an amendment to this contract, it has to start with the Executive Committee.
Matthew Haber: And it only gets to the individual parties for approval, you know vote by their governing bodies, once the governing of both the governing board approves a proposal for distribution.
Greg Ross: Okay Now I understand so it's really just a process if you will have had to do this.
Greg Ross: Let me see this.
Greg Ross: yeah I mean that makes sense anyone have any difficulties with that.
Greg Ross: Hearing none, I will move on.
Greg Ross: Certain I la amendments, including but not limited to powers of the authority get termination of by la assets.
Greg Ross: Term of agreement must be affirmatively approved by 100% of the parties by a formal vote of their governing bodies okay so we're talking the major issues for the authority to decide Am I correct.
Matthew Haber: Yes, the things that would fundamentally alter.
Matthew Haber: The terms of the agreement, so to speak.
Okay.
Greg Ross: And once again we're coming to the issue of do you require 100% of the parties let's talk about that.
Greg Ross: These are major issues for amendments do you want 100% which you know, sometimes you don't get one one city can hold up the rest and literally can hold up the operation of the authority.
Greg Ross: So I am open to suggestions to the 100% i've got mere becky tool.
Becky Tooley: i'm great you talked about, we really didn't finish Article five and Article sits on powers of authority and we're going to go back to that.
Greg Ross: Ultimately we didn't discuss it today, but ultimately we will because we're going to go back to everything.
Greg Ross: Okay, an opportunity.
Becky Tooley: Okay that's great because I actually had a lot of questions that I wanted to bring up and I was you know I didn't know you're going to go ahead and I didn't bring my paperwork, so I need to go back, I want to go back and comment on some other things.
Greg Ross: Not a problem right now that we're moving forward on on 16.
Becky Tooley: I know you're moving forward i'm i'm questioning why we skipped.
Greg Ross: week we didn't skip anything becky that i'm aware of I i'm pretty darn sure I covered everything.
Becky Tooley: No, we did not because I had comments on power of authority and we didn't get to it at not last meeting it was different, but the one before, because I have it written down and everybody.
Greg Ross: Like I say ultimately when we're through with this, and hopefully it'll be soon we can always go back and take a look at any one's concerns.
Becky Tooley: Okay, I appreciate it.
Greg Ross: Thank you, not a problem.
Greg Ross: We are at the point of the hundred percent does everyone agree that it should be 100% or something less because I think you're going to take a look.
Greg Ross: At article.
Greg Ross: At the at the next comment, if you will all other amendments to the La require blank 80% greater than two thirds etc, so what and maybe this is really the question, what is the What is the difference in the issues that require 100% versus let's say 80%.
Greg Ross: In the attorneys anyone you mean a hypothetical if you will.
Matthew Haber: sure you know, for example.
Matthew Haber: This is playing dirty pool right, but the term of the agreement that is the duration of it, the initial term could be increased to deny parties the opportunity to to leave you know, in a renewal period.
Matthew Haber: And that to me would be my thought is well worst case scenario, the amendment doesn't pass and you're left with the status quo operations have the authority the authority still operating right it's operate the way that everybody agreed to when they sign the agreement.
Matthew Haber: Right, you know other things might be to expand or shrink the powers of the authority in ways that were not agreed to when this agreement was signed, or when the initial master plan was adopted.
Matthew Haber: You know, again, the the outcome of one party filibustering is that the agreement stays as it was, and the authority operates as it was, but these are things that.
Matthew Haber: Are not typically about the daily operations of the authority, but instead are about the structure of the authority and the kinds of obligations that the authority can can impose on the parties.
Greg Ross: And and matt I guess it's my question let's talk about the obligations debt if if the authority says, I want to build you know X, Y and Z and i'm going to incur debt of 100 million dollars and one little Old City Cooper city says, now I don't think I want that.
Greg Ross: Now i've held up everything and and you're right we'll keep operating but will never move forward if it's 100%.
Matthew Haber: Sure i'm not sure that that would require an amendment to the IRA, though.
Matthew Haber: Okay.
Matthew Haber: Okay, like uber's indebted only large cities are indebted down the small cities face no consequences or we're changing the structure of the governing board so that only cities with you know 7500 sorry 75,000 people.
Matthew Haber: You know, in terms of their population can have a seat and a vote on the Governing Board, this is it really should not.
Matthew Haber: Facts the way that the authority is able to grow its operations to be able to handle the processing of Recycling and waste and recovered materials, it really is sort of the difference between.
Matthew Haber: You know, a constitution and and really just the answer of statutory code.
Greg Ross: Okay now now I get it, this is.
Greg Ross: I get.
So.
Greg Ross: Is anyone opposed to the hundred percent requirement.
Greg Ross: As far as the and i'm just going to call a major governing structure issues are concerned.
Greg Ross: Because I think once we see it in writing, it will be more clear, but now you've explained it now, I understand where you're coming from it's not operational it's the the.
Greg Ross: The governance, the structure the the makeup if you will.
Greg Ross: So I I get where you're coming from, but I sure, want to see it when written up that's going to be.
Greg Ross: All encompassing and i'd like to see that, but anyone else have any thoughts on this.
Greg Ross: No one really.
Greg Ross: Okay.
Greg Ross: Then we'll move on to the other amendments to the La and is and and and consistency is important, obviously I think when we were talking about other areas of requiring amendments we were talking about I believe we hit the 80%, if not the two thirds MAC do you recall, which one it was.
Greg Ross: There you go two thirds.
Greg Ross: yeah.
Greg Ross: Major decision voting.
Matthew Haber: Okay, consistent with so just to be clear, the major decision voting that's of the Governing Board, not of the parties.
Matthew Haber: legislative bodies.
Greg Ross: Okay.
Matthew Haber: So major decision voting is about the governing boards votes and amendments, the iowa or about the city council's commission's village Councils town councils and the board of county Commissioners.
Greg Ross: So, I guess, my question is why wouldn't I hold them to the same standard as the other.
Matthew Haber: You absolutely could it.
Greg Ross: Just like Okay, I was.
Matthew Haber: worth being clear that it's it's different entities.
Greg Ross: Okay, maybe and and true maybe different entities, but I think consistency would say it's the right thing to do, holding it as far as.
Greg Ross: They are concerned that we do the same thing with good for them good for us.
Greg Ross: We all live by the same rules becky did I see your hand up.
Becky Tooley: Actually that's what I wanted to bring up so.
Greg Ross: Okay, thank you, anyone else.
Greg Ross: All right move moving on.
Greg Ross: A failure to convey the formal rejection within blank days is deemed approval of the amendment.
Greg Ross: What do we have last time was it 90 days.
Greg Ross: I thought we yeah there it is there is there is any party to the iowa whose representative on the Governing Board doesn't approve master plan may throw from the La within 90 days again anyone or any problems being consistent with 90 days.
Beam Furr: Oh good.
Oh good OK.
Greg Ross: Now we'll moving on to article 17.
Greg Ross: issues remaining to termination of the aisle a dissolution of the Authority because now we're going back and.
Greg Ross: Literally to the rv deadlock of the Governing Board okay let's take one thing at a time, because I don't know if these really merged into one another but let's see where the discussion leads.
Greg Ross: let's start with dissolution a term relating to termination of the IRA, how is the IRA to be terminated.
Greg Ross: Well i'd say, by agreement by all unless we're shut down, but some reason, by a court or I don't even think the governor considers down any.
Jamie Cole: introduced expired.
Greg Ross: Right okay so you're looking at expiration or agreements.
Greg Ross: How and let's talk about agreement Sabrina.
Sabrina Javellana: Oh no I was just gonna ask is expiration the same as termination or is that, like a different i'm like where would that would be a different article.
Greg Ross: I let the attorneys answer that but I think you'll find it comes to the same conclusion you're not going to be operating anymore, but termination is as a result, normally.
Greg Ross: Like I say, by agreement or by afford, if you will, and the expiration is by agreement or by the contract contractual term but i'll ask the Attorney did I say correctly.
Jamie Cole: Yes, I think you did a real issue here is what's going to happen at the end, in the end, most likely will be the.
Jamie Cole: expiration and non renewal, you know that at some point, you know, in the end, even if it's renewed sometime in the future could end like the rmb good So the question is, if it if it ends, you know what happens.
Jamie Cole: You know there's also other ways it theoretically could end but they're highly unlikely.
Beam Furr: there's two things I think we need to consider.
Beam Furr: One is that the service will probably continue.
Greg Ross: So, how does it somehow it's got to yeah.
Beam Furr: yeah it's got to he's still getting we still got to dispose stuff.
Beam Furr: Right and then second there's there's ongoing liability.
Beam Furr: For all of these in La you like, with the landfill those kind of things there's there's liabilities into the.
Beam Furr: far off future that has you know you always have to take care of it, so I think we well we're looking at this let's just remember we've got to make sure that it continues service us to continue somehow and and and then second take into consideration liabilities.
Greg Ross: I think I think what and and and in conjunction with that or.
Greg Ross: To supplement what you're saying, Commissioner, would be the assets, have to be determined how they're going to be split up, but having said that Commissioner truly.
Becky Tooley: Yes, the governing body should ensure ownership of any and all assets financed by the authority and also ensure the right of first refusal to the authority before any sale of will liberate ourselves.
Greg Ross: i'm sorry, where does will upgrade itself command.
Greg Ross: To the authority i'm not getting.
Greg Ross: How we can.
Greg Ross: Ensure that essence.
Becky Tooley: We don't own it well just assets, the assets and the assets.
Greg Ross: Oh, I agree, I agree.
Greg Ross: I think, and you know we've worked on the rv and what happened with the assets and.
Ultimately.
Becky Tooley: We got nothing.
Greg Ross: Well, you know what you can say that but we've got the Alpha 250 and we've we've split that among all the cities, other than the five, if you will.
Greg Ross: And here for our purposes, I think the right thing to say, is the assets that can be distributed equally among the 31 cities or or I should say, not even that among all participating parties.
Greg Ross: And, and I guess you know Mike ryan's on say whole question whether the county should get the equal as a city or nothing.
Greg Ross: And then we'll we'll turn around and figure out the liabilities, which should be the same as the assets of the Authority will pay off all the necessary liabilities, that is owed.
Becky Tooley: Okay.
Greg Ross: And, and you know you just you just got to be up front and handle everything equally with all the the parties commissioner for.
Beam Furr: Nothing yet.
Greg Ross: Okay does anyone have any difficulties with that.
Greg Ross: Okay, so, then the dissolution I think we've spoken up unless Jamie do you want to include anything or or matt for Mike or or nathaniel anything of subsequent items as far as dissolution whether it occurs, one way or another, would be distribution of liability or assets be any different.
Jamie Cole: And I think the real issues here is, I think the county wants the ability to take over if the authority ends.
Beam Furr: yeah.
Jamie Cole: I think.
Jamie Cole: I think that's one of the key issues, and then the question is, if the if the county is going to take over, obviously the assets like this if we build facilities.
Jamie Cole: they're not gonna be able to take over unless they take over those facilities, then the question is.
Jamie Cole: You know, is there some type of compensation for that or what happens um you know the rv agreement said that you know, at the end, they would be natural distribution of assets and.
Jamie Cole: No one knew what that meant and we ended up litigating it and and the resolution was you know alpha 250 but also $32 million, so it wasn't just offered to 50 that the city's got.
Jamie Cole: You know this is a tricky issue and it's obviously a little bit sensitive since we've litigated the exact issue you know the county.
Jamie Cole: has an understandable position regarding their obligation and if the authority went away.
Jamie Cole: And if the authority actually owned the facilities and the counties and keep operating them, then the question is, you know they need to own them if they're going to keep operating him, and they need.
Jamie Cole: I would assume at that point they'd be taking over liabilities and liabilities when it came to the landfill, you know there's environmental liabilities that are really the key liabilities liabilities aren't so much you know contractual liabilities that some money, maybe oh to someone.
Jamie Cole: For think they are concerned with liabilities.
Jamie Cole: Is you know environmental that we need to fear and how to address.
Greg Ross: Right, you know, and I just want to say and and the elephant without their Jamie you've mentioned it, you know about the are being led to a lawsuit but we.
Greg Ross: And I say we, the county and the city's learned from the lawsuit what not to do and what to do so i'm grateful for it, I think it's brought us together and we're able to do this right now nathaniel.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Yes, thank you mayor and agree with you wholeheartedly on that last comment and on everything that Jamie said as well, I think that one of the lessons learned from the rb is that these things need to be.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: A process needs to be put into the agreement upfront rather than just talking about in general terms and equitable distribution, there needs to be some you know definite understanding as to how things are going to go.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: And to jamie's let one of the last points that Jamie made in terms of the liabilities absolutely correct.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: You know the environmental and other liabilities that flow from no pun intended, you know these.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: assets either coming to the county upon an exploration termination or dissolution of the authority if it intends on continuing to provide those services.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Potential sale to a private entity, I mean all of those different scenarios need to be addressed.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Presumably the authority is going to be, and I think it would be fiscally irresponsible for it not to be doing is to be putting aside reserves, you know over the operational lifetime of those assets to set up for perpetual maintenance.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: So how all of those things are handled.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: is going to need to be fully fleshed out in my opinion, you know, in the agreement to avoid the potential for.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: i'll say it generously different opinions as to what was intended.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: You know, later on, hopefully, after 50 years of the authorities operate.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: But we have to plan for it potentially being shorter as a worst case.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: So.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: I just don't think that this is necessarily.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: ready for prime time in terms of a discussion with the full salaries working group and the lawyers are going to be, you know banging about different ideas and will probably come back with some concepts for discussion.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: After.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: We see what the options may may be.
Greg Ross: And I appreciate that beam.
Beam Furr: yeah and the only precedent, or you know thing we have to look at a little bit it's like palm beach because they started off a little like what we're doing here.
Beam Furr: But it morphed into a dependent district.
Beam Furr: It morphed in for it's a went from if i'm not mistaken.
Beam Furr: city centric.
Beam Furr: Or, and then, for whatever reason, I never have heard what the reason was but it morphed into a dependent district, and I don't know all the particulars of that, but I do know that the that jamie's correct.
Beam Furr: The county is going to want to make sure that we're able to keep.
Beam Furr: Using the using the assets, I think all of us, all of us will be using this continue, you know, in the long run, whatever is built whatever's you know.
Beam Furr: All these things so we're you it's kind of like hey we're not gonna I don't see us actually getting rid of assets, I see I see trying to figure out how do you maintain a continuum.
Beam Furr: To make sure that the service for all the residences continued that's that's my main thing.
Greg Ross: And and and candidly I do, and I agree with you, I look at it, as the ownership may change, but the fact of disposal and how it works is not going to change and I don't care, who operates it.
Beam Furr: So it's still owned by the people of broward county.
Greg Ross: Bingo and either way.
Beam Furr: It is.
Greg Ross: an avenue a avenue, be they still they still own it right um I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree.
Greg Ross: And I think becky mentioned it earlier to right of first refusal look folks the county has that responsibility for that obligation of disposal.
Greg Ross: If we are ready to terminate or expire then they're, the ones who should have the right of first refusal.
Greg Ross: And you know I like to keep things simple, so you set up a process beforehand, where maybe we do the three appraisal you pick an appraiser we pick an appraiser and then the two phrases pick a third they come up with a an amount and.
Greg Ross: We you know good the same if you will, the liabilities and then we figure out what it would cost.
Greg Ross: county then we'll have to pay one way or another, the liabilities, environmental or not, the city would want to be held harmless.
Greg Ross: Albeit we were the ones responsible for the past 50 years, if you will, of doing everything and then county would come in and take it over and EPA comes in and says you've done it wrong for 50 years now you're responsible holding the city's harmless.
Greg Ross: But these I think on on the 30,000 foot level to me it's not a difficult process, but one that needs to be better.
Greg Ross: explained or more precise than it was with the are big.
Greg Ross: And, and there should be and i'll use the word because i'm famous for it but nathaniel good from me, and that is the process should be in place.
Greg Ross: So that everyone's aware of how it's going to go down and That way, there are no surprises for the for the county for for the cities, and I think that's the fairest way to do it.
Greg Ross: If there's a deadlock of the governing board.
Greg Ross: I like that idea if there's a deadlock How is that to be handled.
Greg Ross: that's a tough one.
Greg Ross: I mean.
Greg Ross: So many different ways of doing it.
Beam Furr: Okay, good, I think the Kelly should.
Greg Ross: I list my crime when he thinks he should break.
Greg Ross: I don't think it would be fair to an executive director to point them and have them break the tie just I that's.
Greg Ross: that's like a parent being asked to choose between one or two children.
Greg Ross: i'm open to suggestions on that one that's a tough one, you could always flip a coin.
Greg Ross: not exactly a good legal way to do it any suggestions from anyone and how to break a tie, of the governing board.
Greg Ross: Have a revolt there you get the same.
Greg Ross: that's a tough one.
Matthew Haber: mirror us um yeah I have an answer, but I do think that that is one of those high level policy questions.
Matthew Haber: that the group can think about and you know I certainly will be thinking about it, and if you know something comes to mind, we can we can bring it forward at one of the future meetings that have been scheduled it certainly not.
Matthew Haber: i'm sure we'll get a lot of proposals.
Greg Ross: After people and I just I just got one from Erin talbert so you know what I think matt you're right maybe we put.
Greg Ross: That in a band, if you will see what options you guys can come up with look at what Aaron has written down.
Greg Ross: Because that's a possibility as well, not one is a small city that I might agree with, however, it is a a possibility of settling a dispute, you know as far as I was going to be done, how do you break a dime.
Beam Furr: You have an idea there.
Greg Ross: Oh i'm sorry I didn't see the hand, thank you.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: hello, thank you and it's not necessarily.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: I just want to talk about this in a more general sense.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: The reason why we have deadlock of the Governing Board in this particular section is not just that there's happens to be a particular vote.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Where there is a deadlock, the concept of deadlock, as we were contemplating it is, in essence, if the authority for a constraint, a set period of time cannot.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: conduct business because of an ongoing deadlock of its Governing Board.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: You have a situation where you're barely making quorum there's an even number of members of your Governing Board and consistently votes are.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: there's there's no activity that can happen the authority can't conduct business because there's no consensus.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: After a specific period of time and and why it was in the termination section is if there's you know deadlock of the Governing Board, to the extent that the authority can't engage in business for 90 days 120 days, whatever the period of time that.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: The remedy may wind up being that the authority Caesars.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: If it just can't continue continuously cannot conduct business that's why it was here versus just a general situation of what do you do with a tie.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: of a particular vote, so I don't know if we need to get necessarily into the weeds of that particular circumstance of one vote is a tie.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Well, that particular item is adopted, the issue is here is the authority is never able to.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: engage in business because of ongoing deadlock of its Governing Board or constant inability to get core or those kinds of things, but again it's one of the one of the issues that the lawyers will be banging about.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: You know they're there are different scenarios, one of which I just mentioned, which is you know ongoing deadlock for 180 days you know authority turns into a pumpkin.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: situations.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: But i'm sure there are other ideas that we can come back with.
Greg Ross: Then i'll put that in abeyance as well and and have you all the lawyers get together and put your thinking caps on work it out and come back to us.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Although I agree with Commissioner for that you know the best option, maybe just the county decides.
Beam Furr: hey.
Greg Ross: hey Mike.
Greg Ross: Do you agree with that.
Beam Furr: Come on jv okay.
Greg Ross: Good try, though.
Greg Ross: Is it something else to Daniel G like keeping your hand race.
Greg Ross: Thank you.
Greg Ross: All right, let's move on to.
Greg Ross: Material breaches by the l buyout the IRA by a party.
I guess.
Greg Ross: Obviously, the question is how do you handle that.
Greg Ross: operationally the ED would initially talk to the party try and get it rectified.
Greg Ross: And if not, you of course you can always resort to litigation that's not what you want.
Greg Ross: As an attorney I tell you that's not what you want, you want to put in mandatory arbitration mediation, I mean that's always a possibility.
Greg Ross: But i'm open to suggestions on what to do if there's material breach of the IRA by a party.
Mary Lou Tighe: To cheer nathaniel has his hand raised.
Greg Ross: Oh once again that, then you on Friday and recognize you.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: And mayor on into potentially short circuit further discussion on Article 1717 and I don't know if I mentioned that the one of us mentioned that the last meeting, we think that there will wind up being an entire meeting once the lawyers have come up with all of these are concepts for.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: The legal discussion and then to be brought back to the board, rather than you know at this point, going through each of these.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: individually like we were with the earlier items.
Beam Furr: So you're suggesting we wait on this session.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: So I would, I think that it may make sense, for you know the county attorney folks municipal council to.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: figure out all of these options and ideas and then bring them back almost like in the same kind of chart for each of these items and then get the direction from from the working group, although.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: We obviously have talked about certain individual ones at the meeting today, so I think that this may be in the La law quotation of a move along Douglas.
Greg Ross: And I hear you on that, I have no difficulties, having it brought back to us, you will need how long to do that, gentlemen.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: I defer to Jamie said well.
Jamie Cole: Maybe.
Jamie Cole: Maybe two weeks.
Greg Ross: How about maybe 10 days.
Greg Ross: think that could be done.
Greg Ross: On maybe so that so that we can have more than a day, if you will, to review it go over it.
Greg Ross: i'll split the difference and go 12 days for you, so we can have two days at least to review it.
Jamie Cole: And it will be that we can talk about on the 27th.
Greg Ross: When we have our else Daddy.
Jamie Cole: So, yes we'll have it.
Jamie Cole: With sufficient time for you to for it to be renewed.
Jamie Cole: Hope I didn't just.
Jamie Cole: overstep my can and that.
Michael Cirullo: Now, I think we should be able to to start getting together on this thing sooner than later yeah.
Greg Ross: Okay Now let me, let me not disappoint everyone, but let me advise you now that, on the 27th I actually will be out of town.
Greg Ross: And may not be able to appear, but I will do my very best to do that, but beam i'm putting you on notice.
Okay.
Greg Ross: And, and you know would be great as if i'm not there, I come back and Article 17 years old done.
Beam Furr: Well done.
Greg Ross: i'll be very impressed and say.
Greg Ross: Thank you to everyone.
Greg Ross: But I will be in hot springs Arkansas.
Beam Furr: Oh nice okay.
Greg Ross: i'm not sure, but it's all for for work through the Florida league of cities, but I will.
Greg Ross: be a hot one on you beam if I cannot be here and do that.
Okay.
Greg Ross: Then, if we have a little time becky you wanted to go back to which Article and matt if you can roll back the tape.
Greg Ross: Commissioner, which article, you said was it five.
Becky Tooley: yeah five there us section five point or one want to see women, let me because I haven't got my papers with me so because I didn't know we were going to go over this today.
Becky Tooley: i'm section 5.7 ethics should include a reference to the lobbying disclosure requirements in section one dice 19 of broward counties code.
Becky Tooley: Okay, if I had my notes I probably could say more so.
Greg Ross: That we have that in there.
Matthew Haber: So this was just oh you're asking the iowa I know there's nothing about lobbying currently in the IRA what it does say is that both the county's ethics ordinance and Chapter 112 Florida statutes will be.
Matthew Haber: In essence, applicable to to the authority and to its members and that it's voting, so you know if we're going to specify the particular section of the kind of code that applied, we can easily include the lobbyist sections as well if they're not already in there.
Greg Ross: Does anyone have any difficulties with, including the lobbyists, because, as I mean and again if if we've included from the 30,000 feet, what we need to why are we picking on the lobbyist issue, as opposed to any other issue, then that may create a problem.
yeah.
Beam Furr: Like by using Florida state and the county we're hitting everything.
Greg Ross: Accurate I thought.
Greg Ross: i'm becky, are there any other concerns and Article five or was there, additional an Article six.
Becky Tooley: yeah there's additional an Article six.
Becky Tooley: Section 6.2 powers of Governing Board should include a the governing body should ratify the auditor recommended by the Standing audit committee members.
Becky Tooley: i'll go one, at a time, or you want me to give you all of them.
Greg Ross: No, no let's go one, at a time.
Greg Ross: You ready asking that a committees actions be ratified by the entire Governing Board, as opposed to the Executive Board, I thought I thought getting we have it, where the committee went to the Executive Committee.
Greg Ross: Where the hiring committee went to the executive or my thinking.
Matthew Haber: there's a there's a subset of the Executive Committee that gets selected become a standing audit committee, and they have the auditor.
Okay.
Greg Ross: That that that that covers your concern, does it not becky.
Becky Tooley: Yes, no.
Becky Tooley: yeah we were.
Becky Tooley: fortunate ratify the selection.
Becky Tooley: Of the.
Greg Ross: voice your voice changed becky.
Becky Tooley: I know well, sorry cuz the sinuses are Perkins.
Becky Tooley: The.
Becky Tooley: Sorry i'm turning Portugal for the selection.
Becky Tooley: It is to ratify the selection committee.
Greg Ross: Governing Board ratifies the selection committee.
Becky Tooley: Or the auditor i'm sorry.
Greg Ross: The once again we have a committee that is selected by the Executive Board matt am I saying that correct the auditing committee.
Matthew Haber: Right, so the auditing committee is selected by the EC from the worship.
Greg Ross: OK, and then with becca you're suggesting.
Becky Tooley: That what they recommend to the board.
Becky Tooley: Selection selection of the auditor.
Greg Ross: I don't know how many layers is necessary for the auditing.
Greg Ross: committee if we have.
Greg Ross: Essentially, the same people that we've already had on the Executive Committee on the Executive Board being selected as the Executive Committee Am I correct.
Greg Ross: man.
Matthew Haber: Yes, the the membership of the Executive Committee, the standing audit committee is drawn from the governing board.
Greg Ross: Then i'm not.
Greg Ross: Real sure why.
Greg Ross: If the governing board already selected them why i'm going back to the Governing Board to select them again.
Greg Ross: I mean that's due.
Becky Tooley: to select the auditor Greg.
Becky Tooley: to ratify to ratify that.
Greg Ross: or your voice definitely has changed.
Becky Tooley: i'm sorry I can't help it because.
Michael Ryan: It just let him outline the issues so that we can get to the bottom line.
Greg Ross: becky becky becky who's with you.
Becky Tooley: I have David Allen their Director of Public Works and I haven't Alec sturgis who's on the tax committee.
Greg Ross: Oh.
Becky Tooley: You want them to talk.
Becky Tooley: To me.
Greg Ross: I don't want them to talk because candidly, this is the working group, you are the Member, you should you should be able to present to us, but in the.
Greg Ross: expediency method let's go ahead and and have one of them succinctly indicate what the issue is.
Becky Tooley: OK i'm going to have David.
Becky Tooley: yeah so just to simply the.
Becky Tooley: The comment is that the full Governing Board should ratify the audit committees recommendation to select the auditor I don't think that the the the committee should have the authority to select the auditor without.
Becky Tooley: The full boards approval.
Greg Ross: And, and I understand where you're coming from, but the governing board selected the Executive Committee.
Greg Ross: Who then selected the auditor, who then you're saying to go back to the governing board and if the governing board says no, then they're saying no to the Executive Board, who they already selected so.
Greg Ross: i'm not i'm not following the additional layer
Greg Ross: Being necessary but.
Greg Ross: i'm willing to hear from anyone.
Becky Tooley: It would be similar to if the.
Becky Tooley: Whatever subcommittee recommended hiring a consultant to do work for the authority that work should go to the full Governing Board for approval.
Greg Ross: How often remind me gentlemen, how often does the governing board me.
Matthew Haber: I think it's by enrolling.
Greg Ross: twice a year.
Jamie Cole: can be it can be more if you want um.
Jamie Cole: i'd like to right.
Jamie Cole: I guess the question, the question that you know if you think about a city, a city has an audit committee and then the audit committee makes a recommendation, but the city Commission usually does approve the order contract, so you know.
Greg Ross: But it's not sent out for a referendum to the residents.
Jamie Cole: No, no, of course, not so so i'm thinking you know we the way this is where to now it says this the honor is selected by the Standing audit committee, and maybe that.
Jamie Cole: Maybe the standing audit committee should should select it subject to ratification by the executive committee not not the governing not all the Governing Board, not all cities, but you know it may be that the Executive Committee should should approve that I can understand I.
Greg Ross: Think that's.
Greg Ross: that's a fine tune a refinement, if you will, which I agree with that's that's absolutely acceptable.
Greg Ross: becky are you good with that.
Becky Tooley: yeah i'm good with that okay.
Greg Ross: Anything else on Article six.
Greg Ross: Be or actually eight i'm sorry go ahead.
Becky Tooley: The governing body of the governing body should establish rules for the Th the tech.
Greg Ross: The governing by should.
Becky Tooley: Establish establish rules hack.
Greg Ross: yeah i'm i'm perplexed as to why you believe that the governing body has a better grasp of what would be necessary for attack, maybe, other than the executive order.
Becky Tooley: Well i've been on the tech, you know committee things and it's like it seems like they're afraid to give any information because.
Becky Tooley: i'm talking.
Becky Tooley: Oh, I mean it seems like they need some guidance and whatever so um I think there should be rules for them.
Greg Ross: But again i'm not understanding, where.
Greg Ross: Governing Board comes into tack that's totally different.
Becky Tooley: Okay well like I said I didn't know we were going to go over this, because it wasn't on the agenda, I would have brought my paper so.
Greg Ross: i'm sorry but we weren't going over this until you asked us to go over this that's why i'm doing it if you don't want to i'll be glad to call the meeting i've no no difficulties and calling meeting early but.
Becky Tooley: just go over the rest of what I know.
Becky Tooley: Okay, all right number see the governing body should be able to acquire personal or real property.
Greg Ross: i'm sorry give that one to me again.
Becky Tooley: The governing body should be able to acquire personal or real property.
Greg Ross: You want them to be able to do that on their own, as opposed to first having it come through the Executive Board.
Becky Tooley: Does that work yes.
Greg Ross: You don't think that would be a competing entity to the Executive Board.
Greg Ross: No, I mean who do you want running this you know, we have an Executive Board essentially.
Becky Tooley: The galleries body.
Greg Ross: So let's do away with the Executive Board i'm not sure that.
Becky Tooley: I didn't say that Greg.
Greg Ross: Okay, so that's i'm saying that Daniel you got your hand up.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: i'm just just her a little bit of context the aisle a draft as as currently framed.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: provide certain levels of authority for the Executive Board, who will be meeting more regularly to take certain actions similar to how both you know municipalities in the county.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Grants certain authority to their city managers or or the county administrator to make certain purchases or take certain actions, while reserving the larger acquisition things like.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: The the real property scenario that that may or to elite just mentioned, with regards to disposal facilities and things of that nature which require the larger Governing Board, since the Governing Board is only meeting.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: By annually or semi annually depending on which way you want to go with that phrase.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: And the Executive Board meets more frequently, I, like him, you know that that Executive Board in combination with the executive director to more like what you all have with your city managers or with your county administrator.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: So while it's ultimately a policy decision, I think that the iowa is currently drafted does divide up those authority levels and roles in a way that should be familiar to.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: How cities and in the county you know govern itself for those day to day operational decisions acquiring you know personal property which could be.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Something as small as a you know, a I was gonna say a fax machine but it's not 1998 you know, a copy machine.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: Which is personal property and then real property in terms of renting office space or things of that nature waiting for a governing board meeting may not be.
Nathaniel Klitsberg: The policy decision that the working group wants to make, but again, it is ultimately a policy decision and we have divided up those roles in the island.
Greg Ross: So, is that the long way of saying we really have covered the governing powers of the governing board as well as the Executive Committee.
Yes, thank you.
Greg Ross: becky do you have any other concerns.
Becky Tooley: No, and I can't talk anymore either so.
Greg Ross: Okay, fair enough, I don't want you to strain yourself but it's not as if this is etched in stone, once we come back we're going to meet again on Article 17.
Greg Ross: If there are any additional items that anyone has concern over bring them up, and if you can get it to us beforehand we'll put it on the agenda it's not a problem I want everyone to feel as comfortable about this, as I do when we tend to write to the various cities and the county.
Greg Ross: Having said that.
Greg Ross: Are there any additional concerns comments additions deletion substitutions from anyone.
Greg Ross: Oh, my goodness we might be ending early today let's wait and see what the public comments are.
Greg Ross: Do we have any Mary Lou.
Mary Lou Tighe: I cannot see any hands raised his chair.
Greg Ross: Apparently there's something going on today that everyone wants to get to.
Mary Lou Tighe: The item that was in the chat has already been read into the record.
Mary Lou Tighe: which was Mr topper suggestion, with regard to.
Mary Lou Tighe: The allocation.
Greg Ross: The deadline.
The deadline, I said.
Mary Lou Tighe: i'm sorry clearing a deadlock and it says side with greatest population tonnage but you'd already read that into the record, but so I think we're good.
Greg Ross: Okay, everybody good everybody good that we're ending early.
Beam Furr: yeah.
Greg Ross: i'll have to sell a wonderful lunch.
Greg Ross: Thank you all for today and we look forward to the 27th and hopefully i'll be there.
Mary Lou Tighe: Mr chair i'm not i'm not sure that you finish the agenda in terms of sw the update.
Mary Lou Tighe: i've always generation steady.
Greg Ross: you're right because I moved off my my cell phone from the agenda, I apologize waste generation study Kevin Keller.
Kevin Kelleher: I get myself off mute mute.
Kevin Kelleher: The waist generation study sex is still been working with the haulers and they've also been getting the property data and analyzing and haven't go through the statistics, so they can come up with the land use code groups.
Kevin Kelleher: we're still waiting for some of the cities to provide the the their contracts their franchise agreements, I think we have about 13 cities, who have complied, and then on the.
Kevin Kelleher: commercial agreements that I believe we have 11 cities and comply with the data, so we still need to cities to go back and and work with they're going to get us that information and that's all I have.
Greg Ross: Any questions of Kevin.
Beam Furr: Are we can the Kevin are you, is it is a brown league aware of which cities have not compliant not comply to heaven.
Beam Furr: Coordinated yet I can.
Kevin Kelleher: I can get you an updated I can get it updated list of Mary Lou and she can send that out, and what we've received because there's two different there's two different requests so we'll look at that out and we'll send it out to the Mary Lou.
Mary Lou Tighe: hey Thank you um there's also a question in the chat um asking for an update on broward county Willie waiter discussions.
Greg Ross: In Keller.
Kevin Kelleher: Okay um yeah as I, as I mentioned, I believe, though, last time we had the delegate meeting.
Kevin Kelleher: That the county has provided a notice of his intent for the Reno with we'll breda we've had some some discussions we've had a meeting recently just outlining what our options are as of right now we've not had any.
Kevin Kelleher: We have not come up with any mutually beneficial agreement so we're going to continue to have discussions on that, but we don't have anything concrete at this time.
Greg Ross: Thank you any further questions.
Greg Ross: Commission, I have a line I saw your hand raised.
Sabrina Javellana: Oh no, I just wanted to also have the list of the cities that have shared the agreements and haven't so we can now.
Greg Ross: And i've got Ralph preparing.
ratrapani: yeah guys, thank you for can you hear me.
Greg Ross: Yes, we can.
ratrapani: are perfect so has broward county there is a may deadline for municipalities to commit their bulk C and D and yard waste, however, the broward county willowbrook I have not finished discussions has the county considered extending that may deadline.
Kevin Kelleher: The on that on that main deadline for this end, one of the issues that we are trying to work know there's a variety of issues that we're addressing with wheeler Brenner and.
Kevin Kelleher: You know, some of them have to capacity limits there's transportation fees transfer, you know transfer stations and but the additional waste services what you're talking about that's yard books end fees, you know, obviously, their position is, it should be the same.
Kevin Kelleher: And they're reading the agreement is should be the same fee as the municipal service waste which is significantly different than what is is we currently enjoy.
Kevin Kelleher: They they have indicated to us that, if the city signs up for the C and D services and subsequently decides, they want to do the CND and the alternate ways elsewhere, that they can do so without any penalty or hot so.
Greg Ross: Thankfully.
Kevin Kelleher: It, so in that in that regard the city's can do that without you know and still look to see if there's some other more cost effective way of getting that business done why word negotiate.
Greg Ross: I appreciate that Kevin Thank you very much bye merrison.
Bob Mayersohn: I just have to make my public service announcement.
Bob Mayersohn: It would be an honor for everybody here on this call to join us at the broward league of cities 65th annual Gala may 13 that margaritaville.
Bob Mayersohn: we're going to be installing the Board of Directors and alternatives, as well as paying tribute to our current or outgoing President beverly Williams and our incoming President.
Bob Mayersohn: I believe, who was made so we'd love to have you all attend, I believe you all have information about the event, if you do not, you can certainly contact Mary Lou and I hope to see you all there and I know nathaniel already committed to three tables.
Greg Ross: Okay, get that in writing.
Greg Ross: I have anything Thank you anything else, then, once again, let me wish everyone a happy holidays to whoever is celebrating whatever holiday there is enjoy and we'll see each other, hopefully, on the 27th again.
Beam Furr: Good job great.
Greg Ross: Thank you.
Beam Furr: Have a good one.